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Today is a monumental day. You can now tour DMS and download DMS via the new PageLines homepage.

For the first time ever, you have the opportunity to use a drag and drop DMS to build, manage and maintain your website.

So what does this mean for you? In this article, let’s do a numbers based analysis of why DMS will change the way you build websites FOREVER.

1. Reduce Development time 80% with Live Editing

Since DMS brings everything for editing your site to the front end, and allows you to edit on the fly. This means you don’t need to make changes, upload, refresh, load, reload, push, etc…

You just drag then drop; point and click. As we’ve been using DMS, we’ve found that this reduced development time around 80% when compared to a theme or framework.

Pro tip: For CSS lovers, you can not only edit CSS in the front end (which is cool!) but you also get LESS preprocessing and Live Preview of changes… how cool is that?

2. Build Themes With 0% Coding

With the new dynamic template and theming systems in DMS, you don’t have to code anymore to create a theme. Or to move a site for that matter.

You simply create templates with drag and drop, save them, then create config files that can be added to your theme, or imported to a site.

This makes moving things around so much easier, and you might even cash in with your themes in the Store!

3. Stop hacking stuff. Save tons of time with the DMS Store…

Ever get a framework or theme and have to start customizing it with PHP/JS to add features that you ‘just need?’ Then you bang away for hours or days just to get some simple feature working?

Now, with the DMS Store, all you need to do is

  • Download from hundreds of sections/plugins/themes (1 minutes)
  • Install into DMS (1 minute)
  • Drag into your site (10 seconds)
  • Setup (5 minutes)

So now within 10 minutes you accomplish what would have taken you hours/days otherwise.

4. 100% Better Design, 30% Better Performance

Since you don’t have to worry about the underlying code and functionality, you can simply focus on the design of your site. Not only that, the people that create extensions for PageLines ARE professionals and they can help you be better than you would be alone.

DMS has 3 awesome features for performance as well:

  1. On Demand Loading – Since DMS is dynamically driven, it allows loads the components that each page needs to load correctly. Often when you hack or use a theme, TONS of resources are loaded where they don’t need to be.
  2. Best Practices – When in “live” or visitor mode in DMS, everything is rendered to best practices using Bootstrap standards. This gets rid of the problems most drag and drop systems have with bloated code.
  3. Less “reinventing the wheel” – PL uses standard libraries that can be used once and don’t have to be loaded again. Saving even more time in loading.

5. Has a CMS but with a twist

DMS is powered by the world’s most popular CMS, WordPress. Which is awesome.
This means it supports all 26,000 plugins and WordPress’ advanced functionality.

It also means, DMS supports:

  • eCommerce
  • Forums
  • Social plugins
  • SEO plugins
  • Basically anything else you can imagine

BUT with a twist, anything with a front end, like WooCommerce, a popular eCommerce extension is ALSO supported with drag and drop. Nothing has ever done that before.

Get Started

These are just a few of the things that you’re going to love about DMS.

If you’re looking to get started, just download the basic extension here or go Pro right away.

We’re looking forward to what you guys do!

714 comments
Q2Tech
Q2Tech

So if you have the full Developer's License and you purchase a plugin or theme from the store can that plugin or theme be used on any other site you develop or do you have to purchase the same plugin theme for each site?

echampagne
echampagne

Please , anyone can saywhat s apening with pagelines framework pro account..???& when can we recover the access    @buddhatunes  2days and 10 post here after, no reponse yet ..... amazing

KevinHuemann
KevinHuemann

Is anyone else having problems accessing the store? I am running on a localhost environment and the store just comes up with a blank page. Can anyone else see the store?

Matthew01970
Matthew01970

I have been trying DMS for the first time this morning and I could use a pointer for those who may know.  In inserting images either directly or in boxes, there seems to only be two options. Upload from your computer, or manually enter the URL if the  image is already on the server (which would be a huge pain in the <bleep>) am I missing something? I know when I use platform and inserted an image or media I was given the choice to upload, drop or browse whats already on the server. I didnt see this in the doc other than to say "enter the url" which again, I am hoping is not the only option. Advice?


evasnijders
evasnijders

Dear all,

Just a quick update from me, FWIW. I have now been able to login to my account and download the DMS files. Thanks Pagelines for getting the documentation up, I now have a perfect excuse not to head down to the beach this weekend. 

Before I was working from Firefox and have now reluctantly installed Chrome. ;-)

I'm still disappointed about the lack of answers to all our questions. While I understand that getting the systems back up and running is priority number 1 (and 2, 3, 4, too), there always has to be time made for customers. Especially when there's an issue like this one. 

Then again, let's see how things evolve in the next days. 

Cheers!

Eva

echampagne
echampagne

Please Dannyh, could you say when we (probably) recovert our pagelines pro account access ?@buddhatunes  and we are very sorry about the fucking pirates did. "courage" to all of your talent staff.

echampagne
echampagne

hacked or not ?wat s going on please ???

Q2Tech
Q2Tech

I could be out of touch but can anyone tell me how a single Licsence works when you build on a Dev Server and move to a Live Production Server? Or i suppose if you recreate the site completely which means you would need to port the Activation key from the Dev site to the New one.

I gather the answer is we can deactivate the license from one site and actually use on another? If anyone has insight that might be helpful I would appreciate it. If all goes well I plan on upping my level to Developer but in the meantime I am trying out the single site personal license.

dgosine
dgosine

If someone from the sales dept. has a moment can they please answer this question. As I have asked it a couple of times?

I do like to read the fine print and ask question before I purchase something. From reading this statement

Does my site break if I stop paying? No! What happens is you lose access to your professional-only editing tools and effects, the ability to add and edit Professional sections, and a credit link will be subtly added back to your site.”

It would seem that one is only renting the software from pagelines unlike the previous versions I own of pagelines, if one owned the software why would they lose access to things they have paid for or why would a link back to pagelines be added?

I understand the yearly subscription model and have no problem if it was for services/support/options/updates/etc for software I own and I am all for that but it seems that the model is leasing/renting model. 

Now If i cancel my developer subscription in the future as I sold my business/client list to another person. All my clients would move directly to pagelines instead of the new company as the link to pagelines would be added to the website. Is this fair to any developer who works hard to build up a client list?

So do we own the pageline software like before  or rent it now?

msri
msri

My opinion is not at all important. But after all I've read, let me say: I think, whatever happened, the Pagelines Team did a great, really great job– thank you – each one of the whole team – thank very much for that! I know that your last months must have been really busy, and I am the first one to believe you were all tired just because of working to the launch day. What than happened is unfortunately but at least things like that/these happen. You can be proud of working even more, you can be proud of working more to get your idea running. The idea is really perfect, i believe in it‘s future. Maybe some things are to improve, but there is a great future of DMS! Monthly fees – what are we talking about, last time I needed help with V 2.0, I had an answer within minutes, a perfect answer. I am not a Geek at all. I like to be naive while building websites, I don´t want to care about code, coding things. think that is a big part of the future cake. Only one thing: In my opinion there was an overdose of pre-launch-communication which was not "helpful". At least. Thank you! Respect for your hard work during months and the last days. And congrats for launching a part of future. Thanks Marco

florantcreative
florantcreative

@cindyjbryant Hey Cindy see my post below... i saw on your site you have a really nice vertical nav! :) i was interested in creating something similar but am a little stuck! 

Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Seán. 

dhrcreate
dhrcreate

Anybody get the basic version to actually work? I can't even get the drag and drop sections to preview... says it's saving... and saving... and saving? I'm getting familiar with the interface but haven't got anything to actually "stick." Help!

DianeRuiz721
DianeRuiz721

ARE DMS USERS NOW BEING HACKED???

JUST GOT AN EMAIL SAYING ALL MY 592  WP FILES HAVE BEEN CHANGED. I DID NOT DO IT!!


florantcreative
florantcreative

Hey everyone i was looking to create a vertical navigation for my new site and need some help!

Is it possible by some customization? My first attemptwas simply to squash the navBar section so that it stacks vertically.... this isnt ideal obviously and i would like to be able to control colour / hover effects / and spacing between the menu tabs.

Any help would be really appreciated.

Thanks

Pladius
Pladius

@Martin Bay I feel the same way. I will start to look for another platform that does not allow a monthly subscription. I have too many monthly bills as is. And now, to pay for my website! NO THANKS.

bolvyk
bolvyk

@Martin Bay @echampagne I think that it makes sense. . How do you think they should stay in business? If you use the product, you should pay for it.

echampagne
echampagne

@Martin Bay same for us and lot of people, just have to wait cople of day maybe...hope et care..

etc
etc

@echampagne @buddhatunes Blog comments aren't a good medium for support. If you join the #pagelines IRC channel, there are individuals that are more equipped to handle your inquiries or walk you through certain things. It's just a better medium for support. The community that surrounds PL is pretty healthy, and most are more than willing to help you where they can. :)

Matthew01970
Matthew01970

I am stumped!! I simply want to add a pre-made image to any of the sections of the page and make that image a clickable link like you could very easily do in Platform/Pagelines. Does anyone know how to do this in this?

bolvyk
bolvyk

@bfrye26 lots has changed, i'm thinking they'll have everything back by this week sometime...

amsterdam_sam
amsterdam_sam

@dgosine It is for that reason why I wont ever be using this product.

Pagelines putting their links on my clients site if I don't continue a monthly subscription???  

Eh...no thanks....Thats a racket!!

cindyjbryant
cindyjbryant

@bfrye26  I just came across this post via my email, and thought maybe I can help you.  I thought the same thing, but what I think it is those plugins you mentioned BBpress, Woocommerce, Buddypress, are not a part of the DMS system.  So, it does not come in the panels, and/or it's not a drag and drop section or plugin within inside of the DMS panels.  However, you can still get those 3rd party plugins you mentioned here, and add them as you normally would any other plugin via Wordpress.  Still working as it maybe did in the past.  When you look at the image in the video that's his back end panel and not the actual DMS panel.  I made the same error and probably watched that video like 10x trying to pick up all the details.  Hope this helps answer your question, but if I am wrong in this response my apologies in advance.  :)

cindyjbryant
cindyjbryant

@florantcreative@cindyjbryantHi Sean!  yes, I can share what I did, but I'm afraid I'm a total newbie not just to DMS, but also to coding in general and lack the know-how.  I went to school for it, but honest it was a joke.  So, I'm still learning the ropes and do not have the knowledge most of the developers do.  So, I can share, but I don't think I've done it right, because I'm still wanting to add some changes to it.  Can you send me a message via Facebook and I'll send ya what I did.  Maybe we can both help each other.  I've already emailed Pagelines many suggestions in the hopes they're going to implement it soon.  I hope.  I'm really a photographer and I love using lots of images and big ones too, so I'm needing a lot of extras that is not currently available via DMS, but I'm faithful these guys will listen and add them asap.  So far I'm LOVING the drop and drag DMS experience.  Seriously, when these guys get themselves set up with all the kinks this is going to be the hottest way to design websites!  And believe me when I tell you I'm a newbie, so if I can do it anyone can, and I'm not affiliated to Pagelines at all, I'm just a new "pro" developer package customer.  So, send me your questions to my Facebook messaging this is where I can be reached best:  https://www.facebook.com/CindyJBryant


PS.  I'm not on here as much, but I do check it periodically just to see what's going on and if I can learn something new mysefl.  :)

bolvyk
bolvyk

@DianeRuiz721 haha ya, don't freak out. DMS doesn't mess with that functionality; most hacks are from plugins.

nphaskins
nphaskins

@DianeRuiz721 this is ABSURD! Where is the proof? Or are you just assuming that it's the theme? So it couldn't be any of the plugins you have installed, or your host, or wordpress, but DMS? 

WHAT emailed you?

Wordpress with themes has  2,756 items. DMS by itself has 664 items. How can you only have 592 files?

schnnmbr
schnnmbr

@bolvyk @Martin Bay @echampagne @bolvyk @Martin Bay @echampagne no it does not make sense. Then why do people have to pay upfront amount? 

To have pagelines add back their credit link is absurd. 

The software is mine as soon as i pay for it, why should they even assume otherwise? They have no claim on my clients site after i have made my payment. 

bolvyk
bolvyk

I've heard that PL is doing tons of sales on the new plan because the cost of entry is so low. So I think they nailed the pricing and model..

As for the hack, ya that sucks

dgosine
dgosine

@amsterdam_sam @dgosine I am not saying this is a racket, I am just a person who would like to learn more before i go deeper into pagelines.

The thing that is worrying me is it seems that I am the only one asking this question, which tells me most people do not care or they do not read.

etc
etc

@echampagne @etc No, sorry - that was actually for Mr. Petrowski directly :)

And no, it definitely isn't normal. I was addressing the issues with DMS' subscription based model. I know they're working on getting the previous accounts reactivated.

echampagne
echampagne

 @etc Just to be sure, your last message was for all of the @ attached ?                             if  yes:  We just want to ask you one question,   we paid for one years, not for 4 months, so is it normal to lose our pro access accompt  like   that ? But you probably annswerd to just one of the 3 peoples  tagged... annyway, ur point of view is not bad in normal situation (without ahcking or products lauching) thank to share it... will be back to you when we recovert our pro account ;)



etc
etc

@John Petrowski @bolvyk @Martin Bay @echampagne Wait...let's ignore PL for a second. I did a bit of research just to understand your perspective: "We offer complete websites for one flat fee of $500 and no money down is required. You have to approve the design before an invoice is sent. This fee is all-inclusive:"

You are everything that is wrong with the web development industry. Wow.

Now wonder you have a propensity to marginalize Pagelines and their efforts...you marginalize yourself as a business model.

etc
etc

@John Petrowski @bolvyk @Martin Bay @echampagne Are you a business neophyte? The reason I ask is because the claim that a subscription based model is purely based on greed is patently untrue.

Firstly: Maintenance charges in software are certainly nothing new, so to insinuate here that the model is novel or unique is nonsense. Even within the WP ecosystem itself, many of the best plugins have shifted to a recurring licensing model, because it was recognized that a single-purchase model was not sustainable in the long run.


Secondly: If Pagelines' business model was based on pure greed...what is the demand that you should receive the value of a product including support ad infinitum? Isn't that greed? Aren't you making money off the value you receive from PL?

Thirdly: The fact is, in the long run, single purchase models don't typically last. If you're really wanting a platform that you can invest in and develop on for the long term, the sustainability and viability of the business model should be one of your driving and primary considerations.

daryldyer
daryldyer

@schnnmbr @bolvyk @Martin Bay @echampagne@arpowers agreed with all your points. 

My thoughts is its the way they have implemented the DMS, Wasnt much consideration for all its existing customers. Ive built Ecommerce site on PL and fear what DMS will do to it as there is so many glitches and issues they should done more a Beta version as its a huge jump from framework 2.0 to DMS with little support. 

Ive spent loads of cash and time making PL work ive still not made my money back. Im now having to pay more for a subscription on DMS, that is still not fully supported with all the PL store products . 

Ive tried to be patient but clients cant wait, Im looking to move to another platform now PL was great framework but now lost me money. 

Check the comments in the Forum which is back online. 

etc
etc

@echampagne @etc Perhaps I've inadvertently caused some confusion. I can say, unequivocally, that these comments are not the proper forum to receive support, and you likely won't receive the support you'd like here. I know the forums have been restored, so you might want to take a look there for some official support. Most of the support you'd receive in the IRC channel is going to be that of the community.

KevinHuemann
KevinHuemann

@echampagne @etc @buddhatunes What is this supposed to mean? You are taking things out of context. Its the weekend, try logging on to the channel on monday to get support from people who work at pagelines.


echampagne
echampagne

@etc @echampagne @buddhatunes from @pagelines channel

[20:02] <DOKether> @champagne: I don't work for PageLines, so I don't know the honest answer, all I know is that they are doing their best right now to try and get everything back online asap after they had the files on their server get deleted twice

[20:02] <DOKether> and consequently had to move over to an entire new host

dgosine
dgosine

@Matthew01970 @dgosine @amsterdam_sam Sorry if i sounded that way. What I would like to see is someone one from pagelines to clarify their plans and pricing page as it seems a bit vague on some of the information.

cindyjbryant
cindyjbryant

@Matthew01970 @cindyjbryant @florantcreative   Ah, thank you Matthew.  I'm just now catching your comment.  I am working on getting two different websites up.  One for my portraiture, and another for my wildlife.  I don't want to mix the two.  I have one that is not pagelines for wildlife, but I've stopped it half way to get familiar with DMS and build both my sites via dms instead.  So right now my www.CindyJBryant.com is the DMS site I'm messing around with for my portraiture site.  On that note, Facebook and Flickr are the only two forums that I use to display my images.  Thanks again! :)